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     Tuesday, May 20, 2008
    Tuesday, May 20, 2008 9:03:18 PM (Eastern Standard Time, UTC-05:00) ( )

    I was honored this past week when I was asked for an interview by Eric Enge www.stonetemple.com/blog/.

     I did my best to try add value to Eric’s site and good name as a token of my appreciation and I certainly wouldn’t want to do anything to steal his thunder. However I realize that his readers aren’t necessarily my readers and there was one question in particular that I wanted to make sure and share with my readers.

    So I hope I’m not breaking any kind of secret blogger’s code of etiquette by posting one out of the 10 questions I answered for Eric. If I am I do apologize.

    Question for the Week of May 20th, 2008

     You have been doing online traffic development and link building for a long time guru.  How has this evolved over the years? 

     

    Yes, I have been doing it a long time and I’m grateful.

    I don't see traffic generation as having evolved that much since I first started focusing on driving customers to my stores in the 70's. Of course technology has offered alternative means to an end, but traffic generation then and now has always been about:

    Getting an idea for, or finding a need or desire for, a product or service.

    Doing the research to determine market size, demand, cost, revenue potential and competition.

    Setting an objective and developing a strategy based on competitive analysis, SWOTs, (strengths, weaknesses, opportunity and threats), and available capital.

    Execute the strategy and watch the numbers.

    Link building is a horse of a different color.   

         Back in the late part of the 20th century, links were strictly, only, exclusively for directing traffic to places you thought your visitors would think was cool. Everybody linked out all the time with no ulterior motive other than helping people find stuff the webmaster thought was cool. Of course one reason people linked out so freely is because search engines pretty much sucked and was a long way from being scalable. Links were the dominate web and not search engines.

    That's not to say there was no link spam. Anyone else old enough to remember guest books? I can even remember a time when a basic website offering had to include a questbook script as the 5 or 6 prerequisite pages.

    As those started going up, here came the viagra ads. Oh wait, there was no such thing as viagra back then. Men with ED were left to rely on the miracles of penis pumps and attaching bungee cords with weights on one end to their minuscule members. So I've heard.

    But the point is, there was no shortage of guestbook posts telling visitors about urls for home loans, backup software, web hosting, etc, etc, etc. Your garden variety pre-viagra, pre-page rank link spam.

    Even so, these drive-by fruitings still had only to do with stealing direct traffic and had nothing to do with trying to influence any search engine.

    Those type of links, (or any other links for that matter), had no effect on search engines because no search engine at the time was using anything other than on-site algorithms to determine relevancy and placement. It was wonderful in a never going to cut it kind of way.

    With all the majors at the time, Infoseek, Excite, Alta Vista, Lycos, Hot Bot, Web Crawler, and the like, it took little more than 45 minutes and a meta refresh tag to secure top 10 placements. A blind, deaf monkey with one arm could do it. Did I mention it was wonderful?

    Well, we all knew this couldn't last forever. Especially the search engines and me.

    Then in the early days of the 21st century, (after we all realized that the world would not end due to Y2K), I began noticing some strange things happening with the top search engine du jour, Alta Vista. Contrary to popular misconception, Google was not the first to incorporate links into the algorithm, they were just much better at setting up hardware to handle load balancing, (and of course public relations), than CMGI http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AltaVista.

    But it was obvious that everyone had accepted on site optimization alone was not an indication of quality or relevance controllable with automated programs and that inbound links was going to be the next step in the search for a scalable solution.

    Then came Google and the toolbar and their exceptional promotional skills. All of a sudden direct traffic became a secondary consideration behind Google SERP placement. Then came the SearchKing vs Google thing and the paid link industry was born. The following day Google's war on the paid links industry was born.

    Then we went through the "a PR 7 beat a PR 6". That ship has sailed.

    Then we went through the "if 1 link is good, then 3 million must be better, blog, comment spamming" era. That ship is still visible on the horizon, but it is fading fast. Good riddance!

    Then we come to "trust rank". PR is just about as useful as a third handlebar on a Harley nowadays and a link that makes sense, sitting on a pr 1 will move a target site faster than a PR 7 page as a list of 300 "resources" < extreme sarcastic tone implied by italics<

    Now we are seeing a new wind beginning to blow and I believe it will be the next step in the evolution of the search for the perfect algorithm. Personalization.

    I believe we are seeing the acceptance, (not the same thing as admission), of the fact that using links to determine relevance and placement is better than on site alone but it is far from flaw free. Bottom line, it doesn't work.

    Now I believe the future is in tracking who you are, what you think and how you act in response to online experiences to determine trust in YOU in regards to a specific topic or even query is going to replace PR as the determining factor for who goes on top for what search query.

    Personality management I believe is going to start getting big fast. If you ever get the chance, speak to John Andrews, http://www.johnon.com and Fantomaster, http://www.fantomaster.com about this topic. They'll REALLY spin your gears.

    This shift in search engines accepting the limitations of page rank, coupled with blended, personalized results, will have a huge impact on the evolution of not only SEO but of online marketing in general over the next 5 years or so.

    But I could be wrong.

     

    Peace Y’all

    G

     

     

    If you don’t quit pickin at that thang it’s NEVER gonna heal!

     

     

    Friday, May 23, 2008 6:47:12 PM (Eastern Standard Time, UTC-05:00)
    Great interview! It's going to be interesting to see exactly how the PR algorithm ultimately changes within the next few years.
    Saturday, May 24, 2008 10:46:38 PM (Eastern Standard Time, UTC-05:00)
    It's been quite a ride from day one and whatever happens I don't see boredom setting in for anyone.

    thanks for stopping by Nick.

    G
    The SEO Guru
    Monday, May 26, 2008 1:39:58 PM (Eastern Standard Time, UTC-05:00)
    hi Guru
    well!! i am new on SEO and have started doing SEO for one company which is an entire portal on spiritualism, Hinduism, yoga, mythology and Indian culture and heritage. It is the online version of the chain of theme parks on Indian mythology which are created by the ‘Ramayana’ famed sagar group. A shopping cart where you can buy DVD’s and VCD’s and other pooja and cultural items has been prepared and ready to use. A dedicated staff from www.HugeH.com monitors the website and is ready to answer all your calls 24x7.
    In all it’s a one stop shop for all your need on the Hindu/ Indian Mythology .
    but my problem is that the first page is not showing any page ranking despite doing a lot of work on it...
    can you please tell me if its because the page is made in flash and the SEO terms are metadata???
    please advice

    ash
    www.sagarworld.com
    Monday, May 26, 2008 5:59:32 PM (Eastern Standard Time, UTC-05:00)
    Remember, you asked.

    >if its because the page is made in flash and the SEO terms are metadata<

    Basically yes. First of all on your index page you have a total of 5 available interior links of which 3 are
    under construction. Of the two links that are live one is Ramayan world which does have some content but not
    enough that many people are going to want to link to with with anchor text that matches your title tag
    <TITLE>Sagar World | Ramayan | Krishna | Hinduism</TITLE>

    AND what little content there is, is in,(unreadable by spiders), pop ups. If you had that pop up text in static
    pages you could start expecting a few pages indexed. for examples, look at your about us, contact pages and even
    your shopping pages. Did you know you were placed for terms like sagar world theme park and sagar world pooja
    items? Of course, without spending some money on branding and advertising, not many people are going to be
    searching for those terms.

    But if you want to come up for terms like krishna and hinduism, BROTHER! you're going to have to get your act
    together because you are going to need some real content and real links to beat the people who are there now and
    truthfully are more deserving to be there.

    Your site looks like it is there to sell hindu related items and not be a reference for hinduism. It's not the
    same thing.

    Ash, I hope I don't offend you because that is not my intent, but I believe I would be doing you a true
    dis-service if I was less than brutally honest with you. I think you really need to re-think your strategy and
    your design and the purpose of the domain in general and the topics in specific. You are shooting yourself in the
    foot.

    I LOVE the idea. Why not license me to sell tickets and make me an affiliate and I'll get the placements ?

    G

    The SEO Guru
    Wednesday, May 28, 2008 3:02:50 PM (Eastern Standard Time, UTC-05:00)
    "Doing the research to determine market size, demand, cost, revenue potential and competition."

    Do you know of a good resource that describes methods for doing this revenue potential research?

    I'm afraid that great number of people are coming to conclusions in these areas based on intuition alone, or incomplete data or a combination of both. For example someone can use a tool to find out the search volume for a phrase, and that might suggest that there is demand if there is high search volume, however as you have described before search volume isn't revenue generating in itself because if people are not likely to convert then there is no revenue potential.

    A person could base their assumption of revenue potential on the amount of competition, but that is also pretty unscientific.

    Some people suggest that an adwords campaign should be implemented and then data from that can be used to determine revenue potential. While that is very effective it requires a great deal of time.

    Thanks for your post and the interview was great.

    Eric

    Wednesday, May 28, 2008 3:38:42 PM (Eastern Standard Time, UTC-05:00)
    >Do you know of a good resource that describes methods for doing this revenue potential research? <

    before I got online, I used the library and the local chamber of commerce primarily. Now I use yahoo.

    To my knowledge there has never been the "perfect" resource and I don't know of any kind of "TOOL" available now. ESPECIALLY one that I would trust.

    What I do is write down the basic idea in a kind of outline with my targets points such as:
    leaders in the industry
    industry associations
    industry publications
    industry bloggers
    industry forums

    From those I try to gather as many details as I can on
    total sales last year and over the last 5 years
    basic costs of goods including maufacturing, packaging and distribution
    projected growth as predicted by industry leaders
    TIP- look for the most credibly sources such as WSJ, (at least before Fox got it) NYT, the Economist, Forbes etc.

    then I write a market overview detailing where I see the market and the potential for me, (or my client)

    then I develop my SWOTs

    then my objective and strategies based on the results of my SWOTs

    It's a lot of work, as much time as you want to devote to it,(remember your chances of success are directly related to the amount of time and focus you put into the Objectives&Strategies), and it's still not perfect but a LOT closer than just convincing yourself you've got a great idea and then running out and hocking the house.

    Also, there are probably as many ways to get the data and format it as there are people going after it, but all the info is out there you just have to find it, study it and evaluate it, or hire someone to do it for you or just go do it and hope you get lucky and you're idea really is so great the idea sells itself.

    Best of luck

    G
    The SEO Guru
    Wednesday, May 28, 2008 3:40:03 PM (Eastern Standard Time, UTC-05:00)
    Oh yeah, thanks for the compliment on the interview. It helps to have someone asking good questions to make your answers look good

    G
    The SEO Guru
    Thursday, May 29, 2008 12:56:02 PM (Eastern Standard Time, UTC-05:00)
    >Execute the strategy and watch the numbers.<

    It occurs to me that at the heart of watching the numbers is the need to demonstrate to the client a positive return on investment. It seems that this is not always easy to do early on with organic SEO. Do you find this to be the case? How do you approach that? Are there other considerations and important indicators that you watch for early in the game?

    Thursday, May 29, 2008 3:15:23 PM (Eastern Standard Time, UTC-05:00)
    What a great question Eric. In fact I think it is deserving of a full blown post as a question of the week. I think this is something that could be of help to a lot of people and in my opinion it doesn't get discussed enough.

    I'll make this my next post.

    thanks

    G
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